John Hoare and Elizabeth Love
John Hoare came originally from County Wexford, Ireland although the exact details of his birth-date and birth-place remain unconfirmed. Wexford is located in the south-east region of Ireland, in the province of Leinster. The county’s role in Irish indepedence, especially the 1798 uprising, is celebrated and preserved. This is significant, because John Hoare was known as one of the “United Irishmen”.
According to researcher, Graham Lewis, John Hoare enlisted in the Royal Navy at the Port of London on September 7, 1795. Initially he was on HMS Royal William, and soon afterwards HMS Impregnable. He moved to the HMS Defiance in 1796. On board the HMS Defiance Hoare was one of a number of people found guilty of their involvement in a naval mutiny. The trial was held September 8 to 14, 1798 with the trial records held by the UK Public Records Office PRO ADM 1/5347. I am currently seeking these records, though would appreciate if anyone may already have a copy they are willing to share.
In the meantime, the Report of Committee of Secrecy of the House of Commons: Ordered to be printed 15th March, 1799 (available as a Google eBook) provides some information about the court martial held on board The Gladiator and The Cambridge. Apologies, I’ve yet to clean up the text….changing the f’s to s’ and generally making it readable.
ABSTRACT of Proceedings at a Court Martial on Board His Majesty’s Ship Gladiator in Portsmouth Harbour between the 14 and 16 of September 1798 Sunday excefted Captain JOIIM HOLLOWAY President who with Seven other Captains composed the Court. This Court was assembled for the trial of John Brady, William Lindsay, John Hopkins, James Moor, Chistopher Mahane, Terence Dunn, Thomas Jourdaine, James Cannon, David Keed, 1 homac Derbyfhire, Nicholas Ryan, Cornelius Callaghan, Owen McCartey, Richard Kennedy, Thomas LufEn, Patnck Dcvoy, John Uonally, Peter McGuire, John Hoare, Edward Swinney, Patrick Hynes, Michael Foy, Michael Kelly and Edward M Laughlin seamen and James Lawlers private marine belonging to his Majesty’s ship Defiance Captain Theophilus Jones for having held mutinous afiemblies on board the laid ship at which an oath to the following purport was taken I swear to be true to the free and United Irishmen who are now fighting our cause against tyrants and oppressors, and to defend their rights to the last drops of my blood and to keep all secret, and I do agree to carry the ship into Brest the next time the ship looks out ahead at sea and to kill every officer and every man that shall hinder us, except the master and to hoist a green ensign with a harp on it and afterwards to kill and destroy all the Protestants. All the evidence clearly mewed the guilt of the prisoners in a greater or lesser degree and the court having heard what they had to offer in their defence parted lenience of death on Brady, Lindsay, Hopkins, Mahane, Dunn, Jourdaine, Cannon, Reed, Derbyfhire, Ryan, Callaghan, Kennedy, Laffin, Devoy, McGuire, Hoare, Swinney, Kelly and M Laughlin. But in confederation of some circumstances Hopkins, Mahane, Dunn, Jourdaine, Cannon, Devoy, McGuire, and Hoare were recommended by the court for mercy on condition of transportation amd Moor and Lawlefa were sentenced to receive 300 lashes each and one year’s solitary confinement in the Marmalfea. Mccartneyy and Foy were sentenced to receive 100 lashes each and six months solitary confinement. Hynes was sentenced to year’s solitary confinement and Donally was acquitted. APPENDIX No 20 91
Sorry if that was all a bit difficult to read. I’ll try and make it clearer.
There’s a brief mention of the incident in the “Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette” of Thursday 23 August 1798///
In the latter ship 45 United Irishmen are brought in irons for mutiny. The court martial on eight of the UNSURE crew will finish to-day.
Along with some other newspapers, The Derby Mercury of Thursday 20 Sep 1798 records the following….
On Saturday the trials of several sailors belonging to the Defiance for Mutiny and Sedition commenced on board the Gladiator, at Portsmouth. The following is the oath, the taking, and administering of which constitutes the substance of the charge against them : — “I swear to be true to the free and United Irishmen who are now fighting our cause against tyrants and despots, and to defend their rights to the last drops of my blood and to keep all secret, and I do agree to carry the ship into Brest the next time the ship looks out ahead at sea and to kill every officer and every man that shall hinder us, except the master and to hoist a green ensign with a harp on it and afterwards to kill and destroy all the Protestants
According to the historian, Patrick O’Farrell, there was a great deal of excitement about the arrival in Australia of these rebel convicts.
The 1798-1803 rebels were a colonial cynosure: their fellow Irish hero-worshiped them; the authorities feared them and exaggerated their numbers and influence”. He tempers this, though, by arguing “in a strictly nationalist sense, political rebels among the Irish convicts seem relatively few; about 1.5 percent, that is, less than 600 in the entire history of transportation, of whom nearly 500 arrived in the very early years of the colony, up to 1806”. “The most prominent rebels were often men of some previous substance, educated, high principled and quite often Protestants”. He also says, “These rebels took their land grants, conformed and prospered. They adopted a low public profile in response to their seditious reputations and devoted themselves to work, and those good lives.
John Hoare was imprisoned for a time on Norfolk Island under the harsh regime of Captain Foveaux between November 1802 and June 15, 1804. At that point, he was returned to NSW where he was placed on the Government Farm at Castle Hill which, just a few months earlier, had been the site of an unsuccessful uprising by mostly Irish convicts. At some point around this time, he began working as a labourer for John Llewellyn (who had come to Australia in the NSW Corps) on his Hawkesbury River property.
A few yeas later at St Phillip’s Church he married Elizabeth, the daughter of John and Martha Love on July 10, 1809 (V1809 881 3A). Born in Hampshire, England, Elizabeth Emelia Love came to Australia on the Third Fleet as an infant with her parents, John and Martha Love. She spent her early years at Sydney Cove (in the area around The Rocks) before, presumably, moving with her parents to the Field Of Mars where, presumably, she met John Hoare. In their first few years of marriage John and Elizabeth lived at the Field of Mars before moving to the Campbelltown Districts of Airds and Appin where they began to farm with the assistance of convict labour . The birth records of their children indicate John and Elizabeth continued to live in the area for quite some time.
By 1828, John and Elizabeth had increased their land holdings to 90 acres which was cleared and fully cultivated and they had eight cattle.
I am unaware, at this stage, how they came to spend their later years of their lives and to be buried at Dapto. A possible reason is that a few of their children married people in Wollongong, and so they may have spent their latter years closer to their younger children. Researcher, Kath Raulings mentions in a comment below she believes John Hore “had land at Illawarra and was granted a convict groom and farm servant. In 1839, both father and son had land at Dapto. See 1839 NSW Gov Gaz. pp.1353, 1378 and again in 1840 pp. 152, 171, 425 and 706. Some of these entries also relate to land in Murrumbidgee district (possibly Cumberoona) and at Camden. I have a feeling I remember seeing in one of the gazettes that there was some land transferred or given between the Hores and Rixons around Dapto. Hope this might help.”.
John died on April 25, 1862 (6420/1862), while Elizabeth died on March 3, 1878 (448/1878), although the NSW BDM spells her name Hore. They are buried together and the inscription on the headstone reads…
Sacred to the memory of Mr John Hore, a native of County Wexford Ireland, who departed this life, 25th April 1862, also of Elizabeth Hore, native of Hampshire England, died March 3rd 1878 aged 96 years.
According to Elizabeth’s newspaper obituary – supplied with thanks to Lesley Ford, which she also acknowledges was supplied by Jan Johnson, from an Illawarra Paper 18789 – Elizabeth spent a number of years after John’s death living in Sydney with her daughter Ann (then named Ann Phibbs), presumably at Ann’s place on Castlereagh Street (not far from what is now Central Station).
In the following issue of the 5th instant, a notice appeared, announcing the death of another lady, whose life had almost xxxxxx? a century, and whose connection with this district has been long and intimate. We allude to Mrs. John Hore, relict of the late Mr. John Hore, and mother of Mr. Charles Hore, of West Dapto. The deceased lady reached the great age of 96 years. Her residence in this colony, was about coeval with the history of its colonization, she being only ten years of age when she arrived in Port Jackson with her parents. She therefore constituted one of the population of Australia 86 years out of the 90 years of it’s existence as a British Territory. In her last days, few if any other persons in this or any of these colonies could say so much in this respect. She was one of the pioneers of Australian colonization in the true sense of the term, having whitnessed the rise of this great dependency of the British Empire from a state of absolute barbarism to its present proud and important position as a civilized community and unexampled field for enterprise.
Mrs. Hore resided many years in this district with her husband and a large family, of which Mr. Charles is the younger member. She survived her husband several years, however, and for some considerable time past she resided at Sydney with one of her daughters, Mrs. Phibbs. It was only latterly that her health, which hitherto had been of the most robust character, began to fail, and finally, on Sunday 7, the 3rd instant, her spirit passed away from it’s earthly tenement, which from sheer decay of nature, had become incapable of longer retaining it. Her remains were brought per steamer, on the following Monday evening, and on being landed at Wollongong were conveyed to St. Francis Xaviers Church, where, in the absence of ther Rev. Dean Flanagan, the Rev. P O’Reilly of Dapto, performed the usual ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church on such occasions. In the forenoon of the same day, the funeral cortege proceeded to the Catholic cemetery, West Dapto, where the remains were deposited with the sacred dust of some of the relatives of the deceased who had gone before. The Rev. P O’Reilly officiated on this occasion also, and the mourners included friends of the deceased from Sydney, in addition to Mr. Charles Hore, and several members of his family.
Elizabeth’s death was also reported in the Sydney Morning Herald on Thursday 14 September 1882…
HORE – March 8, at the residence of her daughter, Mrs Ann Phibbs, Elizabeth, mother of John Hore, Esq, Melbourne, aged 96.
The other members of the Hore/Hoare family buried at West Dapto, according to this site are.
Hore, Charles Patrick, d. 14 Feb 1900, age: 1year 10mths, Beloved s/o Charles & Clara Hore Accidently Drowned, Sec. Old Grave Yard, #15
Hore, Charles, b. 1869, d. 24 Nov 1931, age: 62years, Our Lady of Perpetual Help Pray For Him Also Our Dear Mother, Sec. Old Grave Yard, #16
Hore, Clara Bridget, b. 1881, d. 2? Nov 1961, age: 80years Our Dear Mother, Sec. Old Grave Yard, #17
Hore, Elizabeth Agnes, b. 1875, d. 06 Oct 1944, age: 69years, Beloved w/o William, Sec. Sth Row C, #3
Hore, Elizabeth, b. 1782 Hampshire England, d. 3 Mar 1878, age: 96years Sec. Old Grave Yard, #118
Hore, John, b. Wexford, Ireland, d. 25 Apr 1862, age: 8?Years Sec. Old Grave Yard, #117
Hore, Margaret, b. Co. Limerick Ireland, d. 4 Mar 1908, age: 79years Sec. Old Grave Yard, #128
Hore, William A, b. 1901, d. 16 Feb 1955, age: 54years, 2572 Private 14 Australian General Hospital. Beloved, s/o The Late Charles & Mrs C.B. Hore of Shellharbour, Sec. Sth Row F, #10
Hore, William, b. 1866, d. 21 Jun 1956, age: 90years Sec. Sth Row C, #4
* Ann Hoare was born on 9 May 1810 at Airds, NSW. Aged only fourteen, she married William Rixon, the eldest son of convicts James Rixon and Amelia Goodwin on 23rd January 1826 in St Peter’s Campbelltown. In their first few years of marriage William and Ann lived at the Field of Mars before moving to the Campbelltown Districts of Airds and Appin where they began to farm with the assistance of convict labour. Around the time of the birth of their daughter Sarah in November 1839, William and Ann moved to Spring Creek where they managed “The Stringy Bark Inn” a property owned by William’s brother, Benjamin. William also had other hotel interests in the area. William Rixon died on May 28, 1847 (V1847827 32B/1847) at Campbelltown. After William’s death, Ann married twice more. On June 11, 1848, she married Owen Dunlaghan who died in January 1851. A year later, on January 24, 1852, Ann married William Henry Phibbs with whom she had one child, William Jordan Phibbs. William Henry Phibbs died on November 24, 1863. In 1882, Ann lived at 362 Castlereagh Street, Sydney on the east side between Goulburn and Campbell Street. Ann died at 9 Denison St Woollahra, Sydney on August 8, 1895 and is buried at the Roman Catholic Cemetery, Waverly. Had she lived a little longer, she would have inherited one thousands pounds from her younger brother, as she was named in his will. TO my sister Ann Phibbs widow of William Jordan Phibbs the sum of one thousand pounds but if my said sister shall predecease me I BEQUEATH the said sum of one thousand pounds to her son William Jordan Phibbs TO my nephew the said William Jordan Phibbs the sum of one thousand pounds. Please see the biography page of William and Ann for more information about their lives.
* John Hoare was born 17 September 1813. He married Elizabeth Waite at All Saints Church, Sutton Forest on 1st January, 1839. According to researcher, Judy Roberts John Hoare Junior was advised by Hamilton Hume whose property was at Lake George, as to where some of the best farming lands were to be had along the route he had already taken, with the result that these two men set off to acquire land for themselves. John Waite, after travelling south by bullock wagon for six months with some younger women riding on horseback, formed the Bungil run in 1836 for his daughter Elizabeth and son-in law, John Hore jnr, who then swapped it in 1838 with Spalding and Cobham for the Wagra (now Wymah) run on the opposite side of the river, being the stream that had been named the Hume River and later changed to the Murray River. John Hore jnr, besides holding the Wagra licence in 1840, purchased the Talgarno lease in 1848, the Turramia lease in 1848 and the Bethanga lease in 1855. By the time he bought Cumberoona on the north bank of the Murray River opposite Talgarno in 1859 for 12,000 pounds he had a very valuable pastoral empire in the Upper Murray. About 1870 he sold Talgarno, Bethanga and Turramia and confined his attention to Cumberoona. . Elizabeth died at Ellerslie, East St Kilda, Melbourne on February 6, 1895. John died later that same year on 15th October 1895 at St Kilda. Thanks to Judy, you can also download his will. Photograph courtesy Kellie Jones. Thanks also to Kellie for photographs of the joint gravesite of John and Elizabeh Hore, as well as the individual graves of Elizabeth Hore and John Hore.
* Elizabeth Hoare was born 18 April 1815 at Airds NSW. She married James Rixon, the son of James Rixon and Amelia Goodwin at St Peter’s, Campbelltown on 27th August 1833. The birth records for their children indicate that sometime between 1834 and 1838, Elizabeth and James moved from Airds to Taylor’s Flat, now known as Cathcart in the Towamba Valley area of S.E. NSW. I am unaware of the reason why, though, presumably they were granted some land. As noted by Jack Burgess, James Rixon went on to became a hotelier at Eden, the first hotel in Eden, and the very early hotel licensee in Bega. He was the first of the family to come to the family hotel, (the museum) when it was known as Rixons Family Hotel. As noted by Terry Hore on his website John and Elizabeth had a very large family. James Rixon died at Bega on September 12, 1873 (3335/1873). Elizabeth died at Sydney on September 13, 1882 (2069/1882).
* Martha Hoare was born about 1817 at Cowpastures, NSW. She married John Robinson on 13th May 1833 at St Peters, Campbelltown, NSW. John Robinson was born on April 22, 1798 in Sydney. The birth records for their children indicate the transitory nature of their lives over the next ten years or so, with children born at Dapto (1838), Greenland near Nimmitabel (1843), Nudgee, near Cape Howe (1847), Narraburraba (1850), Twofold Bay (1852), before they finally settled at Honeysuckle, near Wyndham NSW. The first 52 acres of land on the Honeysuckle Flats was purchased by John Robinson in 1853, after recognising the potential of the land for farming. (Reference: Wyndham Celebrates). The Monaro Pioneers website records a great deal of information about them and their children. John Robinson died June 8 1960 at Honeysuckle and was buried June 11 at Eden NSW. Three years later, Martha married Adam Lewis on April 20, 1863 at Pambula, NSW. Martha died on July 29, 1873 at “Honeysuckle” amd was buried at Eden on August 3, 1873. The cause of her death was Death due to Decay of Nature 19 months. Informant Adam Lewis 2nd husband.
* Andrew Hore was born at Airds on 25 May 1820. He married Jessie Finlayson at Yass, NSW in 1845. He died on 17th April 1890 at Mugwee, Albury, NSW. Photograph with thanks to Kellie Jones. You can also view Andrew Hore’s headstone and Jessie Hore’s headstone.
* Sarah Hoare was born about 1821 at Minto, NSW. She married James Seymour on June 15, 1840 at St Francis Xavier, Catholic Church ,Wollongong, NSW, Australia. The website of fellow researcher, Terry Hore documents the children of Sarah and James. The birth records for their children indicate they mostly lived in the Illawarra district, with children born at Dapto (1841) Shellharbour (1849) Sydney (1854) and Shellharbour (1855). Sarah died in 1862 (3893/1862) at Kiama, probably in childbirth as the BDM records the birth of their child, Joseph at Kiama in 1862 (8432/1862). Interestingly, the death record for Sarah indicates her mother Elizabeth Love/Hoare may have been known as Betsy, a common shortening of the name. A year after Sarah’s death, on June 18, 1863 (482/1863) James married Ellen (Elizabeth?) Condle (widow) at the Presbyterian Church, Elizabeth Street, Sydney. James Seymour died at Shellharbour on February 15, 1867.
* William Hoare was born on 26 February 1824 at Minto, NSW. He married Rebecca Margaret Seymour (Margaret Gralis) at St Francis Xavier, Wollongong on 14th February 1848. He died on 28th May 1890 at Wagra. Margaret’s headstone can be seen here
* Mary Hoare was born 10 July 1826 at Glenlee, Menangle, NSW. She married Michael O’Loughlan (Born Cavan, Ireland) on 7th January 1845 at St Bedes, Appin, NSW. She died on 5th March 1893 at Appin.
* Thomas Hoare was born 29 August 1831 at Airds, NSW. Recorded as “Thomas Hoere”, he married Catherine Ann Bergin (born in Ireland in about 1830) at St John’s Roman Catholic, Campbelltown, NSW on February 12, 1854 (V185316 99/1853). The birth records for their children indicate they lived in Marrickville (1855) and Wollongong (1857) before settling in Albury (1858). Thomas died on 5th September 1880 at Table Top, Albury, NSW.
* Eliza Hoare was born 1833 at Airds, NSW. She married Sampson Courtney Boyland on 12th February 1853 at Wollongong, NSW. I am unaware at this stage about where their eldest daughter, Elizabeth A (V18531842 121A/1853) was born in 1853, however the BDM records confirm their sons John (6465/1857) Courtney (7190/1859) and daughter, Isabella J (7282/1861) were all born at Eden. According to researcher, Kev Spink (see comments below), “Sampson arrived as a Bounty Immigrant from Co Antrim, Ireland on board the ship ‘Arthur’ arriving in Sydney in 1841. He died in March 1861 (2877/1861) after a two year struggle with cancer.” Five years later, she married Robert Redshaw on 23rd April 1866. Eliza died at Bega in 1893 (3249/1893).
* Charles Joseph Hoare was born on 4 July 1837 at Airds, NSW. He married Margaret Noonan at St Francis Xavier, Wollongong on 25th June 1855. The birth records for their children indicate they lived in Wollongong for most (if not all) of their married lives. It’s also likely, it was with Charles and Margaret that his parents lived in near proximity for quite some time, after they moved to the district. As researcher, Kath Raulings aluded to the Hoare Family had significant land holdings in the area. Chales was mentioned in the will of his brother, John and granted significant land holdings in the Camden district trust, In trust for my brother Charles Hore and his assigns during the term of his natural life without impeachment of waste AND from and after the decease either in my lifetime or afterwards of my said brother Charles Hore TO HOLD the same in trust for his son Andrew Hore absolutely for ever. Charles died at Moonee Ponds, Melbourne, Victoria on 12th March 1905.
* The note that 20 people on board the HMS Defiance were sentenced to hang is from “Lincoln P. Paine’s SHIPS OF THE WORLD: AN HISTORICAL HISTORICAL ENCYCLOPEDIA” (page 48). There is also a reference to this oath on p278 of “The Language of Liberty, 1660-1832: Political Discourse and Social Dynamics” By J. C. D. Clark, Published 1994 by Cambridge University Press.
* The reported oath was mentioned in the “Report of the Committee of the Secrecy of the House of Commons” ordered to be printed 15th March 1799, London 1799 (pp 72-73)
* Information about the significance of the of Irish rebels in Australia from “The Irish In Australia” by Patrick O’Farrell, University of NSW Press 1986.
* His presence on Norfolk Island is confirmed in the microfilm “The People of Norfolk Island and Van Diemen’s Land 1788-1820 and their families” by James Hugh Donohoe. He returned to NSW in 1804.
*Curiously enough, John did not receive his Certificate of Emancipation until July 15, 1811 .
The 1828 NSW Census lists John Hoare aged 50 Convict on Canada FS Settler at Airds and Elizabeth born colony aged 37. Canada (1) arrived in 1801
Children to this couple
John age 15
Elizabeth age 14
Martha age 12
Andrew age 9
Sarah aged 7
WIlliam age 5
Mary age 3
Colonial Secretary’s Papers:
HOARE, John. Of Field of Mars
1811 Jul 30 : On list of persons to receive lands in the new Districts of Airds or Appin, & in other parts of the Colony; at Airds or Appin (Fiche 3266; 9/2652 p.10)
HOARE, John (Senior). Per “Canada”, 1801
1822 Jul 23: Of Lower Minto. Recommending William Ford, his assigned servant (Reel 6055; 4/1761 p.58)
1823 : Memorial (Fiche 3047; 4/1830 No.168). Reply, 6 Jun (Reel 6010; 4/3508 p.454)
1824 Sep 20: On account of wheat & maize in the possession of settlers in the Districts of Upper & Lower Minto (Reel 6061; 4/1780 p.286)
HOARE, John (Junior). Born in the Colony; son of John Hoare of Upper Minto
1823 : Memorial (Fiche 3047; 4/1830 No.169). Reply, 18 Jul (Reel 6010; 4/3508 p.679)
* The exact date and place of John Hoare’s birthplace remains unconfirmed. I recently heard from researcher, Graham Lewis who notes…
I did spend several hours in the sacristy of the big old church in Wexford Town, and also consulted several professional genealogists there for advice on further research. Basically, they could suggest no further research avenue. I had discovered just one possibility in the parish registers – which are perhaps the oldest and best preserved in all Ireland – a 1775 baptism, but not a John – a saint’s name instead, which escapes me at the moment. I was inclined to be rather dismissive of that, but the genealogists thought it could be our John – that the church would have been a Franciscan Priory in 1775 and the Franciscans were very keen on baptising in saints’ names, but these were often never used in practice by those so named! I’m still not convinced – I felt that John would likely have named one or other of his sons in similar fashion if that had been the case, and he hadn’t. So I think all that can be said is that he was recorded as John Hoare, 22, from Wexford (the latter entered in a column headed “Place and County Where Born”), when he enlisted at the Port of London, on 5 September 1795. It looks like he was enlisted on HMS Royal William that day and joined HMS Impregnable on 15 September. He moved to the HMS Defiance in August 1796.
* Thanks to Terry Hore for documenting the children of John and Elizabeth on his website.
* Marion Starr has a terrific book about Early settlers in the Cowpastures area called, “Murder, Mayhem & Misdemeanours” which contains information about John and Elizabeth. Cost is $30 plus $6 postage within Australia. Payment can be made by direct bank transfer or by cheque. Your copy will be sent as soon as payment is approved. To order your copy please contact Marion email@example.com
* Thanks to Judy Roberts for the information about John Hore Junior, including his will.
* Thanks to Kellie Jones for sharing some of the wonderful photographs, including the headstones.
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